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early. that was a challenge. >> that is exactly right. we put michelle obama out there in a big way. she really motivated the base. people saying, wake us up on the guy has a chance to meet us. >> what were you doing on debate nights? there were these national conversations on politics. on one side, what were you guys trying to do? >> we are trying to enter into the commentary. they wanted to see how the message was unfolding. there are things that we kept good notes on. >> you have been quoted on this before, the issue of immigration and going after rick perry. you still stand by -- overreacting to perry? >> stuart says you have to go out and take it. at that moment in time during the american assess, rick -- process, rick perry was a very formidable opponent. we were running a campaign used on jobs and the economy. this is the governor of a state. people would say -- we knew he was formidable. we began the debate process. we did some in the debate. >> very aggressive early. >> early on. and when he had written about on security. >> i think he used the phrase "ponzi scheme." >> he did.
. >> that is exactly right. two words stick out -- michelle obama. we put her out there and a big way and she really motivated our base. into the spring, when you guys could going longer and longer and longer, our people kept saying, especially online contributors were like, wait as up when you need us. -- wake us up when you need us. >> what are you doing on these debate nights that were the national conversations on policy, but on one side, what were you guys trying to do? >> it was an opportunity to kind of enter into the commentary and share our pokes and jabs underneath. it was also a chance to see how the message was unfolding. there are things said in the debates that we kept good notes on. later in the campaign, we used those. >> matt, you have been quoted before about the issue of immigration and going after rick perry. do you still stick by what you did? [laughter] the campaign. do you think the campaign overreacted to rick perry? >> look -- >> on the issue of immigration? >> to win your party's nomination, stuart says you have to go out and take it. in the early steps of the primary proce
obama's wife, our first lady, michelle obama, had seated next to ms. herseth sandlin: own guest, -- to her her own guest, she was shot down in chicago but only a few weeks before she had been performing for her country at the president's inauguration. and so whether it was ordinary members of congress who just brought different people or it was the president or the first lady, the people who can speak most eloquently about the need for sane, sensible gun violence reform were here, mr. speaker, were here and were present in this gallery so that they could be at a witness and presence on the need. and what did president obama say? he said, give us a vote. he said, give us a vote. . i say to the republican house majority, why are you afraid? let's have a vote. let's count who is for sensible gun violence prevention and who is not. who is for closing loopholes that allow people to escape background checks and make sure that anybody who gets a firearm, an instrument that is dangerous by any account, at least we know that this person is sane and legally qualified to have one. let's h
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